6:02 Brian Williams says: No rules! Um, wow. No time limits should be kinda interesting. Oh dear, Tim Russert is on. Candidates are sitting down.
6:03 They’re contrasting the “I’m honored to be here with you, Barack Obama” with the “Shame on you, Barack Obama” speeches… She says by way of explanation that it’s important to stand up for yourself. “My plan will cover everyone, and it will be affordable.” Generally saying that his attacks have been incorrect.
6:07 Uh oh, I’m forgetting to blog. Now we’re getting into the mandate. “Every individual would have to get health insurance.” He’s raising concerns about how the rubber would meet the road when it comes to mandates…. what happens in the cases where the expense really is too great? After exemptions, wouldn’t some people still be left out of health insurance?
6:10 Interesting! I didn’t know Obama’s plan mandates parents to cover their children. “Universal health care is a core Democratic principle.”
6:11 I do wish she’s reply to the core question of how to deal with the people who can’t afford her plan…. what actually happens to them? How do you enforce a mandate?
6:14 It’s such a complicated change… both of them have elaborate systems to propose. Debates rarely give enough time to get all this stuff figured out.
6:16 Obama: “People choose to buy Medicare because it’s a good deal.”
6:17 The MSNBC.com newsfeed is getting wonky.
6:18 Damn, now they’re going to talk about NAFTA. I don’t know much about NAFTA. HRC: “Why do I always get the first question?” HRC: “Some areas of our country have benefited from NAFTA, but…” She thinks we need a “trade time-out” until fair trade and environmental standards are in place.
6:22 Obama accuses Clinton of flirting with NAFTA in the past, but doesn’t really say much about it. I don’t think she was ever a huge booster, based on what I’ve heard; her husband was much more of a fan.
6:26 “It has worked in some parts of America, it has been a problem in Ohio.”
6:27 Oops, phone call interruption.
6:31 Tim Russert has another annoying question: “What happened to those 200,000 jobs you promised while campaigning in 2000?” HRC responds: If Al Gore would have been elected, we would have had those jobs.
6:33 The MSNBC feed is kinda unusable at this point.
6:37 “Obama made a speech in 2002 about not getting involved in the Iraq War, but he didn’t have the responsibility. Since then he and I have voted exactly the same.”
6:38 These debates are kind of boring… it’s the same 26 arguments over and over again. But I do like it that the answers aren’t timed.
6:39 BHO: “I was specific about the reasons why I was against the war. Once the bus is in the ditch there are a limited number of ways to get the bus out of the ditch.”
6:42 Oooh, that’s a trap. “If the Iraqis ask us to leave, would you leave immediately?” BHO’s answer: “They are sovereign, yes we’d leave.” Hm, I wonder if hawkish people would answer differently.
6:45 damn, the MSNBC viewer got really screwed up, and I missed HRC’s answer. But now it’s fixed.
6:46 HRC: “Why hasn’t Obama had meetings to work with NATO on Afghanistan?”
6:53 Oops, they played the wrong tape
6:57 I just don’t get a warm feeling when HRC says she’s going to go “toe-to-toe” with the special interests.
6:59 Was Hillary Clinton co-president? In any case, she should take both responsibility and credit, says Obama.
7:01 Now the video feed has lost the audio, too.
7:12 It’s back…. they’re talking about anti-Semitism. “There’s a difference between denouncing and rejecting”??, says Hillary, and BHO says, “Fine, I both reject and denounce Minister Farrakhan.” Great answer from him, I think.
7:22 Cagey question from Tim Russert about the next Russian president… it would have been awesome for him to point this question to Obama. Instead, Hillary Clinton answers it first, and we all know she knows a lot about this stuff… but does Obama? I’ll be curious to see how he replies. He shows that he remembers the “looked into his soul” remark from GWB.
7:26 What votes/words would you take back? HRC would take back her Iraq war vote. Ow… she’s talking — in a way — about the costs of her vote… but she passes the responsibility for going to war off to GWB.
7:27 Terri Schiavo — BHO wishes he would have done more to stop the intervention of Congress into that situation.
7:29 Unusual statement about his enjoyment of the campaign with Clinton. “Restoring that sense of public service to the White House.”
7:31 BHO basically is given a chance to say what question HRC “must answer” to say if she’s capable, but won’t attack her. He’s “better”, he’ll say, because he can “bring people together” across religious, ethnic, regional and political boundaries.
7:34 HRC: “The question is, which one of us can actually make change happen.”
Well, that was the first debate I’ve watched this season. I guess I’m glad I didn’t watch more of ‘em.
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